Mailing lists and stuff...

[David Kastrup]

Hi,

in the process of thinking about what work is appropriate for
combining AUCTeX and preview-latex, I am considering moving our
mailing lists over to gnu.org. I would propose the following scheme
there:

***@gnu.org General discussion about AUCTeX
bug-***@gnu.org Bug reports
info-***@gnu.org Announcements
auctex-***@gnu.org Developer list

The old lists would get rerouted as follows

preview-latex-devel -> auctex-devel
preview-latex-bugs -> bug-auctex
auc-tex -> auctex

It would be expected that developers also read bug-auctex (I don't see
a really compelling reason to autosubscribe auctex-devel to
bug-auctex). By keeping the traffic on bug-auctex to bug reports and
their resolution, only directing technical discussions to
auctex-devel, the usefulness of archiving and list sorting software
should be higher.

I don't think that there is much sense in a separate help-auctex list
for which people have little incentive except masochism to
subscribe... I am willing to be persuaded otherwise, but this needs
to be accompanied with offers of people that will then subscribe for
the purpose of _giving_ help on a continuing basis. Of course, the
idea of a separate list that will magically help is nice, but without
genie support...

Comments?

[Reiner Steib]

I mostly agree with your proposal. I would suggest to request the

Post by David Kastrup
It would be expected that developers also read bug-auctex (I don't see
a really compelling reason to autosubscribe auctex-devel to
bug-auctex). By keeping the traffic on bug-auctex to bug reports and
their resolution, only directing technical discussions to
auctex-devel, the usefulness of archiving and list sorting software
should be higher.

ACK. (I would expect developers to read the general list, too.)

Additionally I would like to renew my proposal of diffs and commits
lists:

,----
| From: Reiner Steib
| Subject: cvs-log/cvs-diffs mailing lists?
| To: auc-***@sunsite.dk
| Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:15:06 +0200
| Message-ID: <***@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de>
|
| Hi,
|
| other projects on Savannah have lists corresponding to cvs commits
| and/or diffs:
|
| ,----[ https://savannah.gnu.org/mail/?group=emacs ]
| | emacs-commit Mailing list where all commits to the Emacs CVS tree are sent
| | emacs-diffs Diffs of changes in Emacs CVS tree are sent to this list
| `----
|
| One list would contain only the ChangeLog entry of each commit (see
| http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.cvs/11123) along with a nice link
| to view the diff
| <URL:http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/emacs/emacs/man/cc-mode.texi.diff?tr1=1.23&tr2=1.24&r1=text&r2=text>.
| The other may contain the full diff. I think this is quite useful.
|
| I couldn't find out on AUCTeX project page on Savannah how to create
| such lists. Probably I can't because I'm don't have enough
| privileges. If it's not too much work to create/maintain the lists,
| what do people think about it?
|
| The next step would be to add these lists to Gmane, say
| gmane.emacs.auctex.cvs and gmane.emacs.auctex.commits. Note that this
| list is gmane.emacs.auc-tex (with "-"), but when creating new list I'd
| like to ask Lars to put it on the to-be-renamed groups.
`----

So we would additionally have:

gmane.emacs.auctex.commits Commits to the AUCTeX repository (read-only)
gmane.emacs.auctex.cvs AUCTeX commit messages (read-only)

Bye, Reiner.

[David Kastrup]

Post by Reiner Steib
I mostly agree with your proposal. I would suggest to request the

or just gmane.emacs.auctex

I think that we should try to set up a structure that would be
customary on Usenet. It is not inconceivable that we would at one
time want to properly enlist as comp.emacs.auctex (I don't think that
more than the general list would have a chance of passing through the
creation procedures), and this would seem to fit somewhat better here.

[Reiner Steib]

[...]

Post by David Kastrup
or just gmane.emacs.auctex
I think that we should try to set up a structure that would be
customary on Usenet.

IIRC Gmane's policy prefers the former, AFAIK.

Post by David Kastrup
It is not inconceivable that we would at one time want to properly
enlist as comp.emacs.auctex (I don't think that more than the
general list would have a chance of passing through the creation
procedures), and this would seem to fit somewhat better here.

I don't want to discourage you, but...

,----[ http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.sxemacs.devel/261 ]
| From: Per Abrahamsen <***@dina.kvl.dk>
| Subject: Re: New Usenet group
| Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.sxemacs.devel
| Date: Wed Jan 5 10:58:27 2005 +0100
| Message-ID: <***@sheridan.dina.kvl.dk>
|
| Steve Youngs <***@sxemacs.org> writes:
|
| > I'd like us to have comp.emacs.sxemacs. Anyone know who I need to
| > talk to about getting it organised?
|
| Follow news.groups for some time, then give up in despair.
`----

Bye, Reiner.

[Ralf Angeli]

Post by Reiner Steib
[...]

Post by David Kastrup
or just gmane.emacs.auctex
I think that we should try to set up a structure that would be
customary on Usenet.

IIRC Gmane's policy prefers the former, AFAIK.

,----[ <URL:http://article.gmane.org/gmane.discuss/1297> ]
| For instance, if there is a gmane.foo group, and a
| gmane.foo.something, then gmane.foo should be moved to
| gmane.foo.general, and so on.
`----

,----[ <URL:http://gmane.org/faq.php> ]
| I wanted the group to be called gmane.comp.fabuloze.haczkers, but you
| called it gmane.comp.cms.fabuloze.devel.
|
| Yes. We try to give group names that are logical and consistent, so
| that Gmane users can find the relevant groups. In particular, this
| means that "-dev", "-devel", "-development", "-hackers" and the like
| all become ".devel"; "-help" and "-users" become ".general" or
| ".user", depending on how many lists there are; and "-svn", "-commits"
| and the like become ".cvs".
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